i think he recalled joe biden saying, i think he says the only problem that program they would cut would be foreign aid. tell us about how we could put that one on a sustainable basis politically. how can you persuade the public that it is being used efficiently? >> i think the key word here is efficiently. we have to demonstrate that the money that is -- the taxpayer money that is being sent overseas for foreign aid is number one, and our strategic national interest, and we have to articulate what that interest is. secondly, i think we have to go beyond just sending the money so that he gets deposited and whoever leads that country's swiss bank account. we have to demonstrate that that money is being effectively used to address certain things. george w. bush, i give him significant credit for the that far -- because they have set a certain standard, that these are our values, these are our standards, if you are able to enforce and implement those standards, we will provide you that support. there are some very good success stories there. it is a difficult climate with which to go back h